Page then within/after Page

[HyunjiLee]

Hi,

I'm creating a segment to identify cases where there are no visits after a specific page
But as I was testing it, something strange came up.

Here are the conditions I tried:

1.
Page A
Then
exclude(Page exists)

2.
Page A
Then within 1 page view
exclude(Page exists)

3.
Page A
Then within 2 page views
exclude(Page exists)

The results for all three cases above are exactly the same.
The data should all be different, so I don't understand why they're the same.

Shouldn't the data for ' after 1 page view' and 'within 1 page view' be the same?
Page A
Then after 1 page view
exclude(Page exists)

I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me.

[Jennifer_Dungan]

Hi,

The best way I have to explain the difference between "within" and "after" is within includes the check, whereas after has to be explicitly after... 

This is easier to explain using Visits...

X THEN Within 1 Visit Y

vs

X THEN After 1 Visit Y

The first example means that Y has to happen within the same Visit... and the second would have to happen in the next Visit (X happens in Visit 1, and Y happens in the next Visit)

If the Within or After is 2 or more... then the Within includes the current visit, and the After will look at the visits not including the current.

So, now when we look at your segments looking at PVs, I think a similar logic applies... but since you likely aren't looking at same PV using within or after logic, I don't think the current PV would be included... but I think that within will look at the next immediate PV, whereas After has a PV buffer?  After 1 PV, I believe means that it's looking for Page A, then some page, then Page Exists... so it's actually a 3 page scenario, as opposed to within which would be a 2 page scenario... 

I also want to note, that your segments are all VISIT scope, but your exclusions are only excluding the HITS... I think this is probably not the logic you likely want... 

I would think you might want to look at segments that look more like:

HIT [

    Page equals a

    AND

    Exclude VISIT container [

        Page equals a

        THEN

        Page exists

    ]

]

Basically, get back the Hits to your Page A, and exclude the Visits that have Pages that follow that page...  This will get you a more accurate "Visit" count... as you will be excluding the Visits that match this scenario (not just excluding some of the pages)