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Adobe_ejs

Adobe_ejs

19-03-2012

Hi all,

You may have seen an email message earlier today from me describing our plans to shutdown the LCCS service on December 31st.    I would like to use this thread for the community to discuss alternatives.   There isn't a one-size fits all solution so I think it's useful to talk about a couple of different options.  You may discover others on your own so please post them here.  To get the discussion started, here's some things I've looked at.

  • Open Source.  We have looked at this as an option and it's simply not viable for a number of reasons.   There are dependancies on third party and Adobe code that are extremely difficult to separate out.   Some of this code runs other services at Adobe that will continue to operate.
  • Flash Media Server.  LCCS is an application built on top of FMS.   I've spoken with some customers that are planning to build the LCCS features they need on top of an FMS server.   Having spoken with the FMS product manager, I can say that FMS continues to have a roadmap and will be getting investment.   We will continue to sell it into the future.   I realize this option may not be viable for some because of the associated expense around licensing and hosting your own FMS server - which brings us to FMS hosting
  • FMS hosting services:  http://www.influxis.com/ does FMS hosting.  There may be others that provide this service as well.   Please post others if you know of any. 

Also if you need further information from Adobe, I''ll do my best to dig it up.

Thanks,

Jeff

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adam_k

adam_k

21-03-2012

+1 for joeflashTO2 .  this is astonishing.  hundreds of thousands indeed.  i'm too stunned to respond properly right now.

this is *so* incredibly irresponsible.  at least migrate to spoon.  that's the very, very least that adobe could do.  please, jeff, can you speak to this? 

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Adobe_ejs

Adobe_ejs

21-03-2012

Hi Guys,

I'm trying to find out more about the posting from Spoon and will respond when I know more.

Jeff

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Adobe_ejs

21-03-2012

Hi,

I don't know anymore about the authors or context of the Spoon remarks.  However, the Flex whitepaper published by Adobe states that we are not contributing LCCS to apache:

""Adobe will not be contributing the AIR for Linux SDK, LCDS, or LCCS to Apache. Adobe is still investigating the viability of contributing TLF, BlazeDS.NET, Gravity, FXG, Squiggles, and OSMF.""

Whitepaper -- http://www.adobe.com/go/flex_whitepaper

I'll post again when I know more about the Spoon statements.

Jeff

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alecsmart

alecsmart

22-03-2012

Jeff, what should I do about screen sharing? You need to provide us with an alternative. I have thousands of sites using my code which uses screensharing. Now what should I do? This is a disaster.

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phaseblue

22-03-2012

Jeff,

I appreciate your ongiong help in trying to find an alternative for us.  I think going through an FMS hosting service would be the best option.  My only question is how do we set up the backend so that it can talk to the client and allow all the features we currently enjoy (i.e. video, chat, whiteboard, etc...) as well as room provisioning?  I do not want to go through ten different 3rd party solutions to get all the feratures LCCS supports.  It's not only a waste of time/money on our end, it's also a waste of thousands of man hours of coding by the Adobe engineers.  I want to use the LCCS front end as is!  Will you be offering the code/installation instructions so that we can get this set up on FMS?  I don't need account management or billing, just the LCCS functionality.

Thanks,

Matt

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joeflashTO2

joeflashTO2

22-03-2012

Thanks for the clarification Jeff. Oh well, for a while there was hope.

Personally I have absolutely no interest in alternatives. The is no reason nor excuse good enough to can a perfectly good technology which many companies have invested millions developing for. Adobe, please find a way for someone to take up the torch. You owe us, your loyal customers and clients, that much.

Thanks.

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coulix

coulix

23-03-2012

Hello I am the creator of edoboard.com

For us it will be the end of the product I have no time to reinvest to find & develop an alternative solution.

However I found that UC engine may matches some of the features needed http://ucengine.af83.com/ to do a porting.

In the meantime I will prepare a 'memorial page' with videos of the product .

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alecsmart

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alecsmart

23-03-2012

Jeff, atleast allow us to create accounts for 3 more months. We have clients who use their own accounts for using our component. Now without account creation option, they are stuck and our component is rendered USELESS.

Adobe is ruining our business completely. We are really small and now we can no longer sell our component. I'm at loss of words. How can you have a migration plan so sudden. Google and all other companies offer a plan of atleast 6 months.

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korosif

korosif

23-03-2012

Hi Jeff,

would Adobe consider selling or licensing the LCCS source if a company would be interested in carrying the LCCS business forward?

I don't talk about my company, but there seems to be quite an interrest for LCCS, so maybe a company like Influxis would be interested to take over.

It would be a win/win for everybody because some have invested a lot in LCCS...

If it could be an option, and you announce that, we could forward the message to potential acquirer.

Dimitri K.

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mlabriola

mlabriola

23-03-2012

All-

Just a clarification from someone in the room that day. Adobe didn't say they would donate LCCS to Spoon.

First, Spoon is not the recipient of any code donations at all. Any code that Adobe has donated is to Apache, not to Spoon.

Now, the post being refered to is badly worded. It is actually not so much a post as just a live blogging of the events and slides of the summit as they were appearing. Here is the wording from that post and I added some clarification in square brackets [].

Adobe will do the following…

- [Determine] Whether FalconJS can be contributed before Falcon AS is complete

- Plan for when we contribute Falcon AS via Apache

- [Establisn the] Duration of runtime support commitment for Flex applications

- [Decide upon the] Availability and duration of new and renewed Adobe Flex SDK support contracts

- [Evaluate whether they will make] Open source contribution of related technologies:

blazeds.net, server-side AS, LCDS, LCCS, TLF, Gravity, FXG, OSMF

The audience asked about LCDS, LCCS, TLF, FXG, OSMF, etc. on Day 1 and Adobe didn't have an answer. On Day 2 Adobe came back and said they still could not answer. However, they made a todo list of things they would do... that is the list you see above. So, it was on their to-do list to get us final answers on these items, but they didn't say they would give it to Spoon or Apache.

On that list so far, they have finsihed the first 4 tasks as of the Flex whitepaper. For the 5th task, the open source one, they made a commitment on BlazeDS, however, no final answer has been given on the others to the best of my knowledge.

If you want to see it yourself, I believe this is all in the last 45 minutes or so of the videos from day 2.

Mike