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Hi i'd also like to point out that our application can also have high pick of concurrent connections (several hundreds), and if the pricing changes to a high price only because of number of concurrent connections, it will totally break our business model based on LCCS pricings which did not took it in account like this.And when you have several users connected only to watch a video live streamed threw LCCS, you will be charged twice for every new visitor: once for the new connection, and a secon...

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Hi,I disabled peer to peer communications in ly LCCS room,but i still get "Peer-assisted networking pop-up question" when i connect to it.Please could you tell me what can cause this, and how can i fix it?if you need the info, my room url is: https://collaboration.adobelivecycle.com/taloshealthsolutions/officialhwe6Thanks a lot,Regards,Seb

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Hi Jeff,thanks a lot for your reply. Thats really great news.The only last remaining question is how the pricing calculation will be affected?Regards,Seb

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Thanks Jeff,Very good news.But when an official announcement will be done, once the deal is complete, it would be important that Adobe officially guaranty that the service will not be shut down on Adobe side, before the new service is fully running on the new side.And don't forget that a lot of people is waiting to know if the new hosted service will be full featured, especially we need to know if the screen sharing will still be available?Thanks a lot for your personal hard work to get a decent...

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Hi Jeff, good to ear that discussions are going on.But would you have a timeframe (at least a rough one).Do you think that in 1 month from now, we should have definitive answer that would be positive or negative?Thanks.I know its hard question, but as Adobe fixed the 9 month deadline, time is running up for us.ps: Thats why Adobe shouldhave engaged those discussions BEFORE announcing a deadline.I hope they learned about it, but sadly im not so sure.

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http://www.fluorinefx.com/ sounds very promising. Anyone tried it? It would be great to also share the hosting solutions too. For example if i need to use BlazeDS and Red5 in place of LCCS, how should i host the services easely? As one of the main interests of LCCS was the "no server side worries".

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hi Jeff, thanks a lot for answering.Its more clear about 1000$ limit for me now But what exactly is the amount of work to clean up the server side code? Can anyone else than Adobe help to do the clean up? Is Adobe evaluating this possibility to clean up the server side code to get LCCS work in stand alone or is it out of the scope?I would also be very interested to get a working solution hosted in amazon Web Services FMS instances, as it is highly scalable.Last question, which i understand is di...

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Hi Jeff,Your mail said that a 1000$ free usage was granted, and no PPU account will be charged, but what happens if our business get an usage above 1000$ ?About the 3 solutions proposed:Open Source. I read the following in another old thread "and in any case the application has large ties with our controlling application server, that in turn has some ties with other Adobe services so it would need a lot of cleanup to make it work standalone anyway". But what exactly this amount of work is? Can a...

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Yeah its diffinetly too short time.We need significantly more time AND a decent smooth transition solution from Adobe (on which Jeff is working on)

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HiThanks for the reply.I understand, you must be busy with new release. I thought first that the cloud architecture could manage growth of room's trafic without limitations. Too bad it does not.I saw some FMS server providers who says that they have no connections limitations, thats also why i did not understand the limitation of LCCS which is based on FMS if im not wrong.Would you say that it is a FMS server limitation?"Yes, you can spread information from room to room"I'll try to use server 2 ...

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Hi,No idea for my issue? - Theres no way to connect different rooms so that they share real time informations between users in all rooms?- There's no way to avoid the quite long connection time to a lccs room?- Is LCCS not able to manage several collaborative services without being limited by the 5000 peak connections?- Am i condamned to use another techonlogy such as Red5 server, to do that, and i can't use all power LCCs can offer me? LCCS is very great tool, but if i can't deploy it without l...

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Hi,I know that each room has a limitation of 5000 users conected at same time.And i need to manage several chats and collaborative meetings in my app. I need my app to be abled to managed far more than 5000 users at a time.Maybe i don't use LCCS correctly, but i did not found out how to do it another way.I have a web application which combine several private one to one visio chat rooms, several only text one to several chat rooms, and a visio conference (congress) one to many.And in my applicati...

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Hello,Thanks for the detailed answer.I should read more about those customizable LCCS contracts, but are those contracts still rulled by the "you pay what you use" basis?And about the servers. You say the FMS servers are not unlimited. But is the LCCS service not based on cloud infrastructure?I thought cloud computing, was able to create virtually unlimited servers sizes, which would be perfect for the scalability of FMS heavy uses.Am i wrong about cloud computing?is LCCS not totally based on cl...

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Ok thanks,If i need it i'll send mail to this adress.But I don't understand why breaking those limits in my room can "penalize other rooms" when LCCS use a CLOUD architecture?And you say "Depending on your contract", but the LCCS way to subscribe, is standard and i never saw a way to change some caracteristics of contract.Regards,Seb

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Ok thanks,Its all clear now.Seb

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Ok great,Its good news then.But if i need to do so, who must i contact to ask?

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Hello,Thanks for the answer.But your example is to simple to make it crystal clear.I mean: if in one room, i have two private discussions:User 1 is publishing webcam and audio to User 2.User 2 is publishing webcam and audio to User 1.I count: 1*2 = 2. Ok?But if in same time in same room i also have User 3 is publishing webcam and audio to User 4.User 4 is publishing webcam and audio to User 3. So when you say "We don't take into account private streams now" it means that i must count:3*2=6 > 3 ?...

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Hello,I'd like to know if there's more limitations in LCCS than the two i already know?- 3 P2P streams (extendable)- 5000 connected users in a room.Thanks,Regards,Seb

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Hello,Regarding the 5000 users limit per room in LCCS:Is it an automatic limitation, or is there a way to over pass this limit?And why do you apply this limit?In a previous discussion, i was answered: "ideally if you want to build a really scalable app, you should distribute connections in multiple rooms"But if i have multiple chat rooms, the user will have to endure the connection time (not so short) every time he changes chat room. When i use a single LCCS room for all my chat discussions, i c...

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Hello,I'd like to be sure to know precisly how is count the limitation of 3 p2p streams.Does the limitation of 3 p2p streams apply only for one user, or for the whole room?For example in room 1, i haveuser 1 publish webcam stream to user 2 and user 2 publish webcam stream to user 1user 3 publish webcam stream to user 4 and user 4 publish webcam stream to user 3So i have 4 streams published in my room, but not for one user.Do you consider that it is out of the limitation of 3 you talk about?In th...

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Hello, Regarding the 5000 users limit per room:you said "we tend to limit it to 5000" is it an automatic limitation, or is there a way to over pass this limit?And why do you apply this limit?you also said "ideally if you want to build a really scalable app, you should distribute connections in multiple rooms"But if i have multiple chat rooms, the user will have to endure the connection time (not so short) every time he changes chat room. When i use a single LCCS room for all my chat discussions,...

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Ok thanksI'll tell you if i see unwanted issue, but now i know how it is supposed to behave Regrads,Seb

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Hi,Thanks a lot for the rapid answer,But what im very concerned about is whether or not the hub-spoke protocol manage a one 2 one private streaming, like P2P does?I mean does the users see a difference when the protocol changes? Does the hub-spoke protocol deliver the stream only to users in recipientIDs or does the stream will be delivered to every user connected to the room, ignoring the recipientIDs value?Thanks

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Hi,Thanks for the answer.But the limitation of 3 p2p streams apply only for one user, or for the whole room?For example in room 1, i haveuser 1 publish webcam stream to user 2 and user 2 publish webcam stream to user 1user 3 publish webcam stream to user 4 and user 4 publish webcam stream to user 3So i have 4 streams published in my room, but not for one user.Do you consider that it is out of the limitation of 3 you talk about?In the same idea, do you count only published streams or also receive...

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Hello,I would like to clearly understand if when i use P2P webcam or Audio publishing, that is when i use the recipientIDs array, if the App swith from 2P2 to hub-spoke protocol, for any reason, what exactly changes for the user?Does the stream will still be delivered to the users listed in recipientIDs but with a different protocol which will involve server and cost money (which P2P does not), or does it mean that the stream will be delivered to every user connected to the room, ignoring the re...

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Hello,I don't find a clear description of every limits of the LCCS service. I don't mean the free account limitations but the technical limitations.For example i know that there's a limit of 3 simultanous P2P streams that can be published from a single user, but is there a global limit of P2P streams for a single room?I read that there was a limit of 5000 users connections for a same room. Is it still the case? If yes, when is it shedulled to remove this limitation?Is there some other limitation...

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Hello,I don't need a fix myself, but i think it's important to fix it for future users.The bug:When i use a specific WebcamPublisher in actionscript and i set a specific NodeConfiguration:If i make it publish, i can't stop it after it, whith call to stop.I can't even stop it properly in Room console. But in this console, if i logout, and relogin, the stream has disappeared.But after that i can't republish even with the sampleApp Webcam (i mean without using again the specific NodeConfiguration)....

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