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hi Mandy, I'm back at work today and it doesnt seem to be solving my problems. i'm replacing "objectname" with the name of the object, in this case my fields are in tables so im using the parent object, or row name,  to add the events, but i did try it by child and subform and that didnt do it either. only thing that actually changes the visibilty is the presence: drop down box in the Object tool box, but you are suggesting not to touch those settings at all right? what could i be doing wrong?snip.PNG