I have never had this issue before with normal forms however with trying to track form submits and even form completions from Salesforce Pardot forms Adobe analytics is always counting less form submits/completions then the Pardot platform. It is always very random sometimes 4% lower form submits then Pardot but can be as high as 50-60% at times. The higher the total the bigger the discrepancy between the 2 platforms however Pardot always has more submits (and they are valid because they also contain the information from the user who filled out the form). So Adobe is somehow missing out on form submissions which I assume it may be because Pardot fires really fast at the top of the page and Adobe is slow and probably misses out on a number of form submits.
Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated on how to sync the totals.
Thanks for answering my questions. It sounds like your setup should work, but I'm not an engineer. I would recommend opening a ticket with Customer Care. If they aren't able to solve it, they can open a ticket for our engineering group to possibly take a look.
When you open the ticket, It may be helpful to reference this thread so they can pull some of the information we've talked about.
In the meantime, other community members will continue to see this thread and they might be able to provide an answer.
I’ll try and answer your questions the best I can.
1. I assume there is nothing wrong with the page load rule and all beacons are fired with the expected variables
Correct. There’s 1 Form that has errors on a confirmation page, but the other’s work without errors.
1. I'm guessing this is where we sometimes have the issue. You indicated the forum is inside an iFrame. Typically, we can work with iFrames, but sometimes they complicate things.
1. It sounds like the Event based rule is conditional upon the direct call rule firing. Is that correct?
Yes, so when the event “dataelementchanged” sees “thank you page” string appear then it triggers a form completion
1. Do you have DTM also deployed inside the iFrame as well or only on the page?
The confirmation page and form page has the javasdcript include in the head section of the page. When the confirmation page is loaded, the script is executed as well.
1. Where is the _satellite.track() call being fired from? Inside the iFrame or on the page?
I call _satellite.track() at the top of the click handler (all forms)
1. Have you been able to reproduce the issue where it doesn't count?
Is it isolated to certain browsers/devices (Safari vs Chrome, Mobile vs Desktop)?
It seems like everything fires ok on our staging servers, and fails on production.
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Thanks for the additional information. Please let me know if any of my inferences are incorrect.
A few other questions I have:
I'm going to CC a couple other people that might be able to help.
Page containing the form loads from this url. - http://www.esri.com/location-strategy
its toward the bottom "get a free market profile" iframed custom form using a pardot handler to ping data back to pardot
we even capture the session ID in both systems and adobe analytics captures less than Pardot.
let me know if you need anything else as this is driving me bonkers.
Alright, so you've actually got two different rules that fire two different beacons? Can you provide more details on the timing of everything? I'm looking for something like this:
If you can provide the ideal scenario and what is actually happening, I'll hopefully be able to provide a suggestion.
Yes, I am using DTM. I am also using a event based rule to fire a completion event and a direct call rule to fire a form submit.
the adobe submits are higher on Jun 3 and 4 because I turned off event serialization however there are email records that don't show up in adobe submits / completions that are in pardot. I think maybe pardot is firing too fast and 30-40% of the time adobe is too slow to react.
Is there a way to setup some kind of adobe dtm callback so that we can wait for adobe to do its thing then fire pardot however I doubt it since it's just an image request? I know I can just use a delay hack but trying to find other methods before trying this one.
this is by far the craziest form I have ever tried to track in Adobe Analytics.
any thoughts or tips would be helpful, thanks in advance
I'm assuming you are using DTM to fire your Analytics beacon since this is in the DTM section of our forum. Can you tell us how you've set up your rule? Are you using a page load rule or an event-based rule to fire the beacon?